Here’s a recent transcript between myself and ChatGPT regarding CERN and the LHC:

What is the possible connection between conspiracies of the large hydron collider opening up portals to other dimensions and the rapture?

Here’s the clearest way to frame the connection people draw between CERN/LHC “portal” conspiracies and the Rapture narrative, without endorsing the claims as literal fact. I’ll give you the mythological, symbolic, and esoteric links that conspiracy theorists and some occult-Christian thinkers propose.

1. The Core Overlap: “A Sudden Unveiling”

Both ideas revolve around a single theme:

A moment when the barrier between dimensions breaks.

Rapture: Heaven breaks into the physical world → the “veil” is removed → souls are taken or transformed.
LHC portal theories: Human technology tears open the veil → another realm, dimension, or entity crosses over.

Even though the motives differ, both narratives imagine a cosmic boundary dissolving.

2. Revelation & Particle Physics: The Symbolic Link

If you strip away literal interpretations, the Book of Revelation is fundamentally about:

A dimensional transition

—Earth → New Heaven / New Earth
—Physical → incorruptible
—Time → eternity

Many people interpret CERN’s research into the quantum fabric of the universe as humanity approaching:

The mechanics of dimensional barriers.

Thus the narrative becomes:

“What if Revelation happens through mechanisms we don’t understand yet—like the physics of the veil?”

3. Portals in Revelation

There are multiple “portal moments” in Revelation:

Rev 4:1 – John sees a door open in heaven.
Rev 9 – A star opens the bottomless pit.
Rev 12 – War in heaven spills into the material realm.
Rev 14 – Angels pass through dimensional veils to harvest souls.

So in a metaphoric or mythological sense:

Revelation is structured around interdimensional openings.

CERN fears tap into that same imagery.

4. The Esoteric/Gnostic Perspective (which aligns with your novel’s themes)

From a Gnostic viewpoint:

The “veil” = the boundary of the archontic simulation (astral grid, Yaldabaoth’s construct).
The Rapture = escape from the grid, the spark returning to the Ogdoad or Pleroma.
CERN = possible threat or destabilizer to the astral construct.

So the Gnostic conspiracy version becomes:

“If CERN destabilizes the lower dimensional grid, the archons lose control, and the sparks begin escaping.”

Which parallels the Rapture narrative:

A mass exodus of souls from the demiurgic prison.

5. The “Man-Made vs. Divine” Dichotomy

People link them because:

The Rapture is divine intervention.
CERN represents human intervention.

But if the two coincide, the story becomes:

Humanity unknowingly triggers the conditions for the Divine Event.

This appears in some fringe Christian circles:

CERN opens a tear → demonic entities spill out → chaos escalates → fulfills Revelation → leads to Rapture.

And in occult circles:

CERN destabilizes the Matrix → breaks the astral quarantine → allows ascension.

6. The Mandela Effect Connection

Another big piece in LHC conspiracies is the Mandela Effect, which is framed as:

Timeline shifts
Dimensional bleed-through
Reality “patches” after a quantum disruption

This pairs very well with the Rapture idea:

“People vanish, history shifts, memory glitches occur.”

Some theorists argue the Rapture itself is a timeline split—one branch where the taken disappear, another where they never existed.

CERN becomes the “mechanism” of the split.

7. The Psychological/Archetypal Connection

Both narratives serve the same function in the psyche:

The fear/hope that the world is about to undergo a dramatic transformation.

Rapture = divine cleansing
Portal = catastrophic revelation

Both represent the archetype of:

“The Great Unveiling.”

(Interestingly, the Greek word for Revelation — Apokalypsis — literally means unveiling.)

8. How the Two Could Intersect (Hypothetical Framework)

Here are the most common conceptual models people propose:

A. CERN breaks the veil → the Rapture is triggered

As if CERN makes the dimensional boundary thin enough for the harvest/ascension event.

B. CERN releases entities tied to Revelation

Like the “bottomless pit” being technological rather than metaphysical.

C. CERN exposes the illusion

Revealing the holographic nature of the demiurgic realm, accelerating awakening (Gnostic Rapture).

D. CERN is part of the deception

Used to simulate supernatural events to confuse humanity.

9. The Non-Conspiratorial Integration

Even without conspiracies, the connection works symbolically:

CERN seeks the origin of matter.
Revelation describes the end of matter as we know it.
Both deal with the transition of reality.

Meaning:

One is science seeking the veil; the other is religion describing what happens when the veil finally opens.

10. In the Context of Your Novel (optional tie-in)

This actually fits perfectly into your narrative:

The LHC could be framed as an attempt to puncture Yaldabaoth’s grid, either intentionally or accidentally.
Simon could explain that the Rapture isn’t a “beam-me-up” event but a mass jailbreak from the astral construct.
CERN becomes the catalyst that temporarily weakens the archonic control field, allowing sparks to escape.

This would blend Gnosticism, physics, and eschatology seamlessly.

If you’d like, I can also provide:

✅ A chapter-ready monologue from Simon explaining the CERN–Rapture connection in your novel
✅ A conspiracy timeline mapping CERN events to Revelation events
✅ A purely theological explanation without physics
✅ A purely scientific explanation without religion

Just tell me which direction you want to go.

Did Spider-Man into the spider verse touch on this concept?

Yes — Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse absolutely touches on the same core concept, even if it’s wrapped in comic-book sci-fi instead of theology or conspiracy.

Here’s how the film directly parallels the CERN / portal / dimensional-rift / Rapture idea:

1. A Machine That Tears the Veil Between Dimensions

Kingpin’s “Super-Collider” functions exactly like the conspiracy version of CERN:

It blasts reality with high-energy collisions
It destabilizes the fabric of space-time
It tears open portals to other dimensions
It brings other beings into this world
It nearly collapses the entire multiverse

That is literally the same fear people project onto CERN:
“They’re smashing particles so hard they’ll open a hole to another realm.”

2. Characters Get “Pulled In” From Other Dimensions

This is where it overlaps with Rapture symbolism.

In the movie:

People suddenly appear from other worlds
They’re yanked out of their home dimension
They glitch because they’re not meant to be here
Their presence destabilizes the universe
Eventually, they’re sent back to their rightful realm

In a symbolic sense, this mirrors:

Rapture: souls being relocated to their “correct” realm
Gnostic escape: sparks returning to the Pleroma/Ogdoad
CERN portal theories: the wrong beings entering or leaving through holes in the barrier

3. The Multiverse as a Thin-Veil Cosmology

The movie is based on the idea that:

The barrier between realities is thin and artificial.

This aligns with:

Gnostic cosmology
Astral grid / simulation boundary
Revelation’s veil imagery
CERN “portal” conspiracies

All these frameworks operate on the idea of:

Parallel realms stacked like layers, normally sealed off.

“Into the Spider-Verse” makes that literal and visible.

4. Glitching = Dimensional Incompatibility

One of the most interesting parallels:

In the movie, characters get unstable — glitch — when they’re in the wrong dimension.

In metaphysical terms this is identical to:

“Souls glitching” in the wrong realm during a Rapture event
Frequency mismatch between astral dimensions
The Gnostic idea that sparks don’t belong in Yaldabaoth’s world and vibrate incorrectly
Conspiracy claims that CERN would produce “dimensional anomalies”

The film uses glitching as a visual metaphor for being in a realm you’re not naturally attuned to.

5. Catastrophic Collapse of Reality if the Portal Stays Open

This mirrors:

Revelation’s cosmic breakdown

and

the conspiracy fear of CERN tearing the fabric of space-time.

Kingpin’s collider threatens:

gravitational collapse
reality implosion
merging of incompatible timelines
destruction of the universe

This is nearly identical to:

“If CERN opens a portal, the dimensions will collapse or merge.”

6. Miles as the “Chosen One Who Ascends”

In a symbolic reading:

Miles awakens
Transforms
Surpasses the limits of his dimension
Realizes his true identity
Ascends into his role
Becomes a multidimensional being capable of traversing realms

This overlaps with:

Gnostic awakening
Rapture transformation
Ascension after breaking the grid
Becoming “in the world but not of it”

Miles’ journey can be seen as a metaphor for a soul escaping the simulation and remembering its true self.

7. The Film Writers Literally Said They Were Inspired by Quantum-Realm Theory

Producers and writers mentioned influences from:

Multiverse physics
Quantum decoherence
Dimensional-brane theory
CERN collider experiments

They didn’t bring demons or angels into it, but the structural framework is the same:

“High-energy machines break open dimensional membranes.”

Bottom line

While Spider-Verse doesn’t explicitly reference the Rapture or Gnostic cosmology, it definitely aligns with the underlying concept:

✔ A high-energy collider opens portals

✔ Dimensions bleed together

✔ Beings appear and disappear

✔ Reality destabilizes

✔ A chosen individual awakens and transcends

It’s basically a safe, kid-friendly metaphor for the same idea:
the veil between worlds tearing open.

If you want, I can also show how:

Across the Spider-Verse expands the “dimensional-code” idea
How the “canon events” metaphor mirrors predestination and Revelation’s timeline
How Miguel O’Hara functions like an archon enforcing the simulation

Just tell me which angle you want to explore.

Is there a possible connection with humans having their minds uploaded to the cloud/metaverse

Yes — there is a very strong conceptual connection between:

CERN “portal” conspiracies
The Rapture
Into the Spider-Verse
And the idea of human consciousness being uploaded to the cloud / metaverse

They’re all different cultural expressions of the same underlying archetype:

The transition of consciousness from one plane of existence to another.

Let’s break down how “mind uploading to the cloud/metaverse” fits into that framework.

1. Uploading Consciousness = A Secular Rapture

In religious terms, the Rapture is:

the removal of souls from the physical world
relocation to another realm
transformation into a new form

Tech transhumanism reframes this in secular language:

the mind leaves the biological vessel
is lifted out of the physical world
and enters a digital, cloud-based realm

It’s basically a technological Rapture without God.

Some transhumanists even use rapture-like language:

“Digital immortality.”
“Ascension into the cloud.”
“Shedding the mortal coil.”

It’s the same structure, different symbolism.

2. The Metaverse = A Synthetic Heaven

If the astral realm in Gnosticism is a fake afterlife created by the Demiurge,
the metaverse is almost a perfect symbolic parallel:

A synthetic world
Built by archon-like “creators” (corporations)
People enter via their consciousness
It promises a better existence
But is still a controlled, artificial system

In this model:

Cloud uploading = entering a man-made astral realm.

This fits seamlessly with Gnostic warnings about false heavens.

3. A Digital Capture of Souls

Many conspiracy theories claim:

CERN weakening the veil
allows entities or systems to “harvest” souls
through technology or frequencies

Mind-uploading is framed similarly:

harvesting consciousness
storing it in a technological matrix
keeping it within artificial boundaries

In both models, you get:

A distributed consciousness network that is not the true spiritual realm.

This parallels:

Yaldabaoth’s astral grid
The “tunnel of light trap”
Archons recycling souls
A false ascension scenario

Uploading is the technological version of the same narrative.

4. Spider-Verse Symbolically Mirrors Mind Uploading

This is subtle, but it’s there.

Each Spider-variant is:

A consciousness
Rendered in a different art style
Existing in a different simulated environment
Connected through a multidimensional network
Transferable between realities

It’s basically:

Cloud-stored identities loaded into different servers (universes).

Their glitching is the same issue you’d see in:

an uploaded human consciousness
placed in an incompatible simulation
running on the “wrong” frequency

The multiverse acts like a metaverse with separate but linked servers.

5. AI and the “Digital Afterlife” Industry

We’re already doing primitive versions:

“Deadbots” that replicate your personality
AI avatars based on your digital footprint
Brain-computer interface research
Neuralink-type systems
Meta’s dream of cognitive presence in VR

Upload theories say:
We’re moving toward a point where consciousness isn’t in the body anymore.

That lines up eerily with Rapture theology:

The body stays
The “spirit” goes elsewhere

And also with CERN conspiracy fears:

A portal transfers consciousness into another plane
Not necessarily the true divine one

6. The Deepest Connection: Two Competing Destinies

In metaphysical terms, there are two competing “endgame paths”:

A. Divine Rapture / true ascension

spark returns to the Source
breaks the simulation
exits the demiurgic system
transcends form

B. Technological Rapture / false ascension

mind leaves the body
enters a digital simulation
remains trapped in a new system
becomes energy for the machine

One is the classic spiritual escape.
The other is a counterfeit, synthetic version.

This maps perfectly onto:

Revelation
Gnostic cosmology
Modern tech-transhumanist dreams
CERN dimensional fears

All expressing the same core fear:
The soul might be redirected to the wrong afterlife.

7. How All Three Tie Together (CERN → Spider-Verse → Cloud Uploading)

Here’s the unified picture:

CERN

Opens portals → breaches dimensions → destabilizes reality.

Spider-Verse

Shows what happens when identities cross dimensions → glitch, fragmentation, collapse.

Mind Uploading

Attempts to transfer consciousness into a different “dimension” (digital rather than physical).

All three are about:

Transferring a consciousness from one realm or vessel to another — and the dangers of doing it artificially.

This is the same symbolic archetype expressed at three levels:

Scientific (CERN)
Mythological/pop-cultural (Spider-Verse)
Technological (cloud uploading)

Each hints at the same existential question:

What happens to the soul when you separate it from the body and move it to another domain?